- So what would you say are the top three things that people look for when they're recruiting people like GS and Barclays? What would the top three things? Probably attitude is one of them, right? - Yeah, absolutely. I would say from a recruiting perspective, so if you're watching this and you're in the interview process, you're trying to get a job or maybe you just landed in the internship and you wanna make sure that you get the offer to come back full-time, from a recruiting perspective I would say it's leadership, attitude and passion. Most people, especially when they're preparing or looking at their resume and they're wondering what the interview's gonna go like, they're thinking of every single deal that's happened in the market and whether or not they know all the details or they're making sure to talk about their finance club experience and how their stock picks went up 30%. I would say focus on the trends in your life. So leadership is a big trend. By leadership I mean, no matter how small, it doesn't mean you need to be the president of your student body or the head of a billion dollar nonprofit, it just simply means that you have a trend in your life where you have taken a view on something, you've stood up, you've helped motivate others, you've led teams where possible, and you've just taken responsibility. And I think that becomes very important in an investment bank, especially at a place like Goldman, but I would say at any place. Oftentimes you're gonna be given very little directions and people are gonna expect you to make decisions, to do things, to move things forward and to raise your hand when you need help. They're gonna expect you to be able to operate on your own. That's what leaders can do. So that is a very, very important quality and it's gonna shine a lot more than, I mean, you know, any experience that you have in finance that you think is valuable before the full-time offer stage. You know, we talked a little bit about attitude, just being able to have experiences or to talk about times you've overcome hurdles and you've reacted to negative things in a positive, centered way. Everyone feels good when things are going great, but oftentimes things are not gonna be going great when you're working a hundred hour weeks or, you know, I don't know if you've taken, right now we're recording this in May, the market situation's an interesting one, right? Things can always happen and your team needs to know that you're not gonna react in a crazy way. - Yeah. - And lastly, I would say passion. It kind of ties in with attitude, but you don't have to be passionate about balance sheets, that's not necessarily what I'm saying. But most of the problems that you're gonna be solving at an investment bank actually aren't financial problems. They're people problems. There's a client that has a problem that needs to be solved or there's something going on internally at the bank. So you need to be passionate about helping others and solving problems. That's what's really gonna allow you to shine and learn the way you need to learn to be successful. - That sounds great, that's great advice. So what would you have give, people are preparing for an interview, and I know when we're recording this is May.