Yeah, when I was doing my PhD, I worked with the tech transfer office, in helping identify opportunities from the university that can be spun out as companies and commercialized. And I did that largely to keep myself sane because I have, I can't focus on a very narrow subject area. And so to keep my brain alive and to enrich my experience, I worked for the tech transfer office where I was exposed to sort of innovations that were coming out of the school of medicine, material science, mechanical aerospace engineering. And so that was quite enriching. And also the fact that these, the research at that stage was sort of ripe and ready where you could build a business or incubate or seed a business around it. And so I found that quite interesting. And, I think when combined with the fact that I am naturally very curious and enjoy learning and I appreciate science from multiple different angles, not just as data and science itself, but also from a commercial angle and then being quite a extroverted personality. I think all of those things are pieces of the puzzles that kind of combined together made me feel like I have enjoyed venture as much as I've done. But this is in hindsight, I don't think if I was asked when I made that switch, whether it would be, whether that would've been the right switch for me or not, I don't think I would've had the answer for you.